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The podcast is on my list to listen to tomorrow morning! It's always a pleasure to hear ex-models or current models that are not Gigi or Bella Hadid give their view on their experience because we're used to just seeing them on the catwalk or on picture unassuming of what their work really unfolds. I also can't wait to hear about both your reconversion, especially as you mentioned it can become part of your identity. We often hear about models going down the brands' founder route, but a lot less about models becoming writer/podcaster and photographer.

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